Using EquiMAX to Treat Tapeworms

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  1. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain

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    Been doing some research and think that the praziquantel dose to treat tapeworms in poultry is 10 mg/kg.

    Just praziquantel is hard to find, so many people find it easier to use a horse paste with praziquantel and ivermectin.

    The dose equations for treating tapeworms using Equimax as follows:
    100 gram (0.1kg) bird - .1 x 10 / 140.3 = 0.007 ml per 100 grams
    1000 gram (1kg) bird - 1 x 10 / 140.3 = 0.07 ml per 1000 grams
    1 pound bird - 1 / 2.2 x 10 / 140.3 = 0.03 ml per pound.
    5 pound bird - 5 / 2.2 x 10 / 140.3 = 0.16 ml per 5 pounds.

    Praziquantel dose is 10 mg/kg and Equimax is 140.3 mg/ml praziquantel.

    Give orally. Books say to repeat in 10-14 days.

    Always check my math!
     
  2. dawg53

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  3. casportpony

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    Here is a sand covered worm(s) from a 12.2 pound turkey after being treated with 0.4 ml of EquiMAX.
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  5. MikeA_15

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    Get enough of those and you could fry 'em up like calamari.
     
  6. dawg53

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    Mmmmmmmmm calimari! I ate them cooked in olive oil in a bar/restaurant when I was in Sicily. I've had them fried as well. Also in a spanish seafood stew. Dang Mike...now I have a hankering for calimari! :D
     
  7. seminole wind

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    I wonder if Equimax is safe for chickens/people?
     
  8. casportpony

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    Both medications are used in poultry, but are not "approved". Given at the amount I suggested, the ivermectin is 1.3 mg/kg, which is higher than most vets would suggest, but way less than what most people usually give.

    Both medications are also used in people, though probably not a good idea to do this unless a Dr tells you to.

    Equimax has the same ingredients as Zimecterin Gold, but has twice as much praziquantel, so one can give half as much. It also has a little more ivermectin than Zimecterin Gold, but not enough to make that much of a difference.

    1 ml of Equimax = 18.7 mg ivermectin and 140.3 mg praziquantel
    1 ml of Zimectrin Gold = 15.5 mg ivermectin and 77.5 mg praziquantel
     
  9. seminole wind

    seminole wind Previously seminolewind

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    Doesn't that have Moxidectin as well?
     
  10. casportpony

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    No, Equimax has only ivermectin 18.7 mg/ml and praziquantel 140.3 mg/ml

    Maybe you were thinking about Quest or Quest Plus?

    Quest = moxidectin 20 mg/ml
    Quest Plus = moxidectin 20 mg/ml and praziquantel 125 mg/ml

    Moxidectin is not as safe as ivermectin, so I would not suggest that anyone use a horse paste with moxidectin.

    -Kathy
     
  11. dawg53

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    I dont recommend Quest or Quest Plus for chickens. The dosage has to be exact and no room for overdose. Tolerance is low, and I think it's the same for horses if I'm not mistaken.
    Regarding chickens, it's best to stick w/ Z-Gold or Equimax, much safer.
     
  12. MikeA_15

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    One can always use Wormout tabs which contain Praziquantel to target tapes. I used dosages of 2 tabs for a 4-5 lb chicken. Dose once and again in ten days.
     
  13. casportpony

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    I think they sell two types:

    "Vetafarm Pigeon and Bantam Wormout Tablets are for the treatment of Thread Worm, Tapeworm, Roundworm and Caecal worm in Pigeons and Bantams only.

    DIRECTIONS:
    NOT TO BE USED on birds intended for human consumption.

    Give one tablet by mouth per 2kg body weight. Repeat in 8-12 weeks.

    Active Constituents: per tablet: 20mg Praziquantel, 20mg Oxfendazole"

    "Tablets are meant for individual treatment of pigeons. Each tablet contains 5 mg Praziquantel and 5 mg of Oxfendazole. Contains rapidly acting potent ingredients to give a complete kill of intestinal worms (roundworms, hairworms, caecal worm and tapeworms). No fasting necessary with this safe effective formula. One tablet per bird for one day. Not for birds used for human consumption."
     
  14. MikeA_15

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    I've never seen the label "Bantam Wormout" but it is possible labels have changed over the last few years since I used it. Looking online I see shop called The Bird Cottage that has the Wormout 20 mg versus the 8mg I mentioned http://www.jedds.com/shop/pigeon-wormout-tablets-vetafarm/ . The problem with The Bird Cottage's listing is it is for a completely different product called Tony's treasure tablets, which is not a dewormer. They need to fix their error:
    http://www.thebirdcottage.com/s-tonystreasure.asp

    This is the ingredient listing for Tony's Treasure tablets:
    http://www.jedds.com/shop/tonys-treasure-tablets-vetafarm/
    Anyone who decides to use Wormout should pay attention to dosage of the particular type 8mg versus 20 mg (if it really exists). Many pigeon supply places sell out quickly.
     
  15. dawg53

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    This is the ingredient listing for Tony's Treasure tablets:
    http://www.jedds.com/shop/tonys-treasure-tablets-vetafarm/
    Anyone who decides to use Wormout should pay attention to dosage of the particular type 8mg versus 20 mg (if it really exists). Many pigeon supply places sell out quickly.[/QUOTE]
    WOW! Those Vetafarm tablets definitely pack a punch as far as antibacterials and antiprotozoals go. It might be worth it to order some. Definitely not a wormer lol.
     
  16. seminole wind

    seminole wind Previously seminolewind

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    Yea tolerance is low.
     
  17. casportpony

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    A five pound chicken would need 5.6 of these:
    http://www.jedds.com/shop/pigeon-wormout-tablets-vetafarm/
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    PRODUCT DESCRIPTION

    All wormer for pigeons.

    Ingredients(Guaranteed Analysis per 100 mg) :
    – Praziquantel 4mg
    – Oxfendazole 8mg

    Available Sizes : 100 Tabs

    Directions :
    Give one tablet per pigeon every six weeks.

    — Storage & Availability :
    Store below 30ᄚC (room temperature).
    For sale in Australia and for export.
     
  18. casportpony

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    A five pound chicken would need 4.54 of these:
    http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/medications/worms-wormers/38-vetafarms-wormout-tablets
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    38 Vetafarm's Wormout Tablets

    Product ID: 38

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    100 Tablets

    Tablets are meant for individual treatment of pigeons.
    Each tablet contains:
    5 mg Praziquantel and 5 mg of Oxfendazole.
    Contains rapidly acting potent ingredients to give a complete kill of intestinal worms (roundworms, hairworms, caecal worm and tapeworms). No fasting necessary with this safe effective formula. One tablet per bird for one day. Not for birds used for human consumption.
     
  19. casportpony

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    A five pound chicken would get 1.14 of these:
    http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/vetafarm_pigeon_and_bantam_wormout_tablets#.VyN7JjArJaQ
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    Vetafarm Pigeon and Bantam Wormout Tablets are for the treatment of Thread Worm, Tapeworm, Roundworm and Caecal worm in Pigeons and Bantams only.

    DIRECTIONS:
    NOT TO BE USED on birds intended for human consumption.

    Give one tablet by mouth per 2kg body weight. Repeat in 8-12 weeks.

    Active Constituents: per tablet: 20mg Praziquantel, 20mg Oxfendazole

    SIZE: 50 Tablets
     
  20. dawg53

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    "No fasting necessary with this safe effective formula." Perhaps with small birds; pigeons, doves, etc...
    I guarantee fasting 24-48 hours is very effective in killing worms in poultry when wormers are administered, especially against hard to kill tapeworms.