Male or female?

Discussion in 'What Breed/Gender is This?' started by Biring, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. Biring

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    29296E24-5126-48BD-A0D0-8701B12B372C.jpeg B2C44032-DEE8-4A78-98E3-1EA2AA1C5104.jpeg Can anyone help me determine the sex of this 8-week-old gamefowl/village chicken cross? What should I be looking for?
     
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  2. Biring

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    A5441150-040A-485F-8FA4-EC7BEA9C4208.jpeg How about this one?
     
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  4. robin416

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    Last one is a boy. Helps to know his age though too.

    You're looking for a comb getting bigger than a sib and redder.

    Pic 1 I think is a boy, love the markings on that bird.

    The second one looks like it might be female. I can't see the comb but compare it to the bird in the first pic if they're the same age.

    I'm having second thoughts on the first one being male.
     
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  5. Biring

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    They are all the same age, same mother and almost certainly same father (although the pics of the third bird were maybe taken a week or two ago). I think the first one might be female but I’m not 100% sure. I thought the second might be male because of its pointy neck feathers, but again I’m not sure. The third is looking more and more male every day.
     
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    80% certain on the first 2 being female, chestnut color on chest, small comb on 1st one, small comb, brown color on 2nd means it was a brown striped/chipmunk colored chick which usually indicates a female.
    The 3rd one is a male, 100% sure.
     
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    193A4217-984E-40DA-821C-E9F2D3266F27.jpeg All three were “chipmunk” chicks.
     
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  8. robin416

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    If it makes any difference, Longcrow, they're mixes. Not pure.
     
  9. Poultry Judge

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    Also , more antique game strains mature slower. The juvenile feathering can be an indicator but is generally misleading until about six months, (just my experience). These Games, crosses and otherwise are beautiful interesting birds. Biring lives in the cradle of Poultry domestication, especially for Jungle Fowl. Every bird we have in the West has it's origins somewhere in the East. I hope you can keep sharing pictures and local history of your birds with the forum. Think of the genetic history contained in those birds!
     
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  10. Biring

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    I’ve been reading a bit about genetics and breeding and I now realise these three can’t be full sibs. Their mother has a single comb, as does the cockerel I thought was father to all three. But No.3 has a pea comb, as does a neighbour’s cockerel. That cockerel only appeared in time to father the last two eggs (of eight, five of which hatched).
     
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  11. robin416

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    Except that could be hidden genetics from past breedings and has nothing to do with current parentage.
     
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    Really? Maybe what I read was an over-simplification, but it said that there were two genes for pea combs and if either are present then the bird will have a pea comb (or walnut, if a rose comb gene is also present). It implied that a bird with a single comb could not have any pea comb genes. I have many questions about combs (and more) so perhaps I should start a new thread, once I’ve rounded up the birds and taken photos.
     
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    Looking back through old photos I noticed that Father no.1 also has a pea comb, not a single comb as I thought, so those three chicks could indeed be full sibs.
     
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  14. robin416

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    Welcome to figuring out genetics. It's can scramble your brains.

    Just keep this one going. If it was several pages long already then it would be a good idea but you've got several pics already here so it could flow well enough.
     
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    Here is a photo of all four surviving sibs (I got their attention by playing a recording of a crested serpent eagle call!). BFA6A3D8-31F9-4E01-9CB5-BB52B6E88F8A.jpeg
     
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    Adorable picture but that was mean. I'm surprised they stayed put after that.
     
  17. Biring

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    They hear it for real most days. They usually run for cover. In this instance they were already out of sight from aerial predators.
     
  18. robin416

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    BTW, still love the markings of the two light colored birds.
     
  19. Biring

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    I suspect the dark coloured male(?) will end up as the prettiest.
     
  20. robin416

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    Yeah, that one in the back is a little boy.

    I wonder where the heck everyone is this morning.
     
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