What DE Really Is, uses

Discussion in 'Parasites, Pests, & Predators' started by ChickenMansion, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. ChickenMansion

    ChickenMansion New Member

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    Fossils, is what it is. This is a link to a great article on DE. All new chicken owners need to know what DE is and use it. You can purchase Diotomacious Earth (DE) online, local farm or tractor supply, not sure about UK. DE is a must for controlling pest: flies, bugs, mites, lice, ticks, internal parrasites, worms, etc. Application: I wait until my girls are out of the coop, dawn on eye protection, grab handfuls and toss, heavily powder floor. I put it on my bedding, in my boxes and also have a cat pan/box with DE in it. For the DE cat box, the birds will dust bathe in it, keep it in cool dry location. Some people mix ash or light sterile dirt in the cat box with the DE, I use it straight. Internal/feed: DE is a natural wormer/parrasites, about a cup to 50 lbs of food, read the package or google the dosage. When: I recommend giving this at 4 -6 weeks of age, once birds are outside. I dust about every 2 weeks, most heavily when I change bedding. Caution Note: eye and respiratory irritant, never and issue with the my birds, and I use it heavily in the coop. I use eye wear and don't breathe it in. I even dust bathed my puppy in it, before she was old enough for flea and tick. Others: Puppy, Patches, came from a farm and was loaded with ticks/fleas; DE and a tick comb did the trick. You can use it on most live stock, internal dosing to feed varies, see package. You can also use it to scrub items, houshold, pool etc., cooktops, it is a great cleanser, just scrub, wipe up and polish off residue. I use it on my glass cooktop and then polish off with windex. Please share anyother uses you've found, thanks.

    What's DE: http://www.squidoo.com/fossilflour
    How much DE: http://www.squidoo.com/fossilflour#module28312712
    Also: http://www.richsoil.com/diatomaceous-earth.jsp
     
  2. Sundancers

    Sundancers New Member

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    Sorry ... I did try it but ... no.

    I used it with the goats, sheep and for fleas ...

    I know a lot of folks that use it ... but I could not tell a difference...

    Sorry ... :eek:
     

  3. Apyl

    Apyl New Member

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    I've never used it and dont plan to.
     
  4. havasu

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    I use it for my pool and it works quite well as a filtering substrate.
     
  5. Elkie1

    Elkie1 Rookie Chicken Wrangler

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    Don't use pool DE for anything but the pool....it has other chemicals in it.

    I use DE (foodgrade) around my house and in my garden for insect control. I use it in my coop (heavily) chicken feed and dog feed. Some swear by it and others don't. We all consume it and don't know it...It's mixed in flour and other products as an anti-caking agent. Below is a website that talks about all the different uses and suggested daily doses. You can also find/buy it under the name fossil flour. And Yes, I also take it internally but not daily, usually because I forget. I've also used it as a blood cloating agent on those occassions I trim the dog nails too short or cut myself shaving my legs.

    http://www.earthworkshealth.com/
     
  6. Elkie1

    Elkie1 Rookie Chicken Wrangler

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    P.S. I find it best as a preventative/deterrent, when it comes to fleas/bugs. It doesn't kill the bugs dead, it takes a day or two and then more are still hatching. So if you don't use it long enough to break the cycle, you'll think it doesn't work. The nice thing is it's chemical free and completely non-toxic. For those worried about inhaling it, it has the same precautions as talcum/baby powder and that stuff is loaded with chemicals! I even use it on my birds regularly for lice, etc. You can probably get faster results with chemicals but I try to avoid chemicals.
     
  7. cgmccary

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    Sorry, I disagree about Diatomaceous Earth. D.E. is all hype. Years ago I bought into the hype. I used food-grade DE religiously, in the nest boxes, the chicken's dusting holes, in the coop, about the run, etc. I even added it to their feed (teaspoon per cup) & dusted the birds themselves with it. They still got mites. After they got mites, I completely dusted some birds with it from head to toe, and it failed to kill the mites. They had so much DE on them that when they shook, it created a white cloud.

    My birds still got worms too when I was using DE in their feed. I never believed it as a wormer. Internal parasites have evolved for many tens of thousands of years to inhabit a bird's digestive tract. Believe me, a little DE is not going to do the trick. Better as a natural dewormer is cayenne pepper powder or tobacco leaf stems [or chewing tobacco] (tobacco can serve as a natural deterrent against mites & lice too). Neither of these are end all cures but their is research backing up their effectiveness.

    DE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING GOOD DIRT OR FINE SAND WILL NOT DO. Dust bathing with good dirt is a preventative generally against external parasites in poultry but will not keep your birds from getting mites. If you have not gotten mites before, then you are lucky, that's all.

    Before I was in the profession I am in now, I was a geologist and specialized in micropaleontology (so diatoms, forams, conodonts were the things I studied). I've looked at sand grains too & they are just as angular and sharp as diatoms under the microscope. If anything, the DE is a finer particulate and therefore easily sucked in a breath to your lungs, the chicken's lung & could do more harm than say, sand or good dirt in the dust hole. Diatoms make their skeletons out of silica (SiO2) i.e. Quartz -- same as white beach sand -- DE is just finer than sand-size.

    I attempted to use DE on fire ant beds to see it it worked. I have buried fire ant beds with the DE, and the ants survived & just incorporated it into their hills.
     
  8. earlyt89

    earlyt89 New Member

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    I use DE in my chicken and dog food. Dust the coop, run, and my shed with it. It helps with me.
     
  9. Mamachickof14

    Mamachickof14 New Member

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    What do you use?

    I'm just learning...don't have any problems but would like to be prepared! What do you use? Jen:)
     
  10. BootedBantam

    BootedBantam New Chicken Mom

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    Yeah, I was waiting for an explanation on DE, seen some articles that talk about it, but still was curious, Not sure if I am gonna use it, need more chicken
    reasearch. Thank you for links.

    P.S. There is a lot of "hype" in chickland. Educate yourself and decide what is best for your chickens.
     
  11. UncleJoe

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    I'm another pro DE. One of the goats had mites something terrible. We started rubbing him with DE every couple days. After about 2 weeks we saw the first signs of his hair growing back and he was back to his ornery old self. :)
     
  12. oakwood

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    In the UK DE is the main product used in poultry keeping .
    We use it on our poultry ,in the bedding, nest boxes ,feed and dust bath`s .
    Wonderful stuff:D
     
  13. BootedBantam

    BootedBantam New Chicken Mom

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    From what I understand, it is a natural product. Can anyone give me any evidence that DE is bad or harmful? I am also gonna say the source of your DE is important, too.

    I am pretty sure, when and if you do get mites or lice, you will try it. I haven't yet, but want to purchase some for preventive precautions. Thoughts??
     
  14. Energyvet

    Energyvet New Member

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    That's my plan.
     
  15. Sundancers

    Sundancers New Member

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    I used Food grade DE ... but like I said, I saw little difference. It was big in the goat world for a while.
     
  16. anderson8505

    anderson8505 New Member

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    I have tried DE, no results for this often expensive product. Back to good old Sevin Dust for me. No issues whatsoever.
     
  17. yag113

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    What do do? DE or not to DE! I read this thread and am now less decided than before I began reading. A LOT of people have reservations about Sevin Dust and apparently many are anti-DE. I am a wildlife rehabber, plus I have goats and poultry and peafowl and guineas and guinea pigs and doves and more. I like to try and beat back things like flies and lice and worms and all other evil parasites. I am so confused!
     
  18. haley4217

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    Educate yourself is the best answer so far on this thread. Like others I us DE for my animals and my garden. First thing, it's not a chemical so it won't work quickly. When I was researching it as a wormer, the consensus was that you needed to keep using it for two to four weeks to break the chain of worms. Same with external pests, it's gonna take time. Now, do your iwn research but in my experience it has been a safe ad natural way to combat pest. But, I continue to use it after the infestation is gone to control the vermin before they get established. Always use food grade DE on anything that produce your food. If you have asthma or other pulmonary problems be careful and use a mask when you are applying it.

    That reminds me I had better go out On my way! De in the coop, weather is warming and flies ar going o star showing up.
     
  19. Energyvet

    Energyvet New Member

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    I like DE. I think the chemicals in 7 are scary. And I'm a scientist.
     
  20. Sundancers

    Sundancers New Member

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    Impressive!

    Would that be a scientist of chemical compounds?