Trying Again

Discussion in 'Incubation & Hatching' started by CrazyBirdLady, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. CrazyBirdLady

    CrazyBirdLady Junior Member

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    I had a "no hatch" Sunday so I'm trying again. I ordered 22 Silkie eggs which will arrive tomorrow. I'm open for all suggestions for a healthy hatch. Should I go no water in reservoirs 1st 18 days or some water? I have had 2 successful hatches so I'm not sure why all 9 eggs didn't make it so someone please help :confused:
     
  2. Sundancers

    Sundancers New Member

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    You do know the Post Office can zap them and give you a no hatch ... I have had this happen twice, my reason for no longer ordering eggs.

    So it may not be what you are doing but what was done in shipping eggs.

    Just so you know.
     

  3. twentynine

    twentynine New Member

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    Even if the post office doesn't zap'em, they can toss'em around, to the point where they are damamged goods by the time they reach you.

    I hatch my own eggs, I treat them with extreme care, between collecting them and setting them.
     
  4. teddy

    teddy Scrambled Eggs

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    As you have them, mite as well try. I do not but water in till the last few days and sometimes not then. Depends how moist it is out. Dew on the glass. But every hatch is different. If the eggs are fertile. Go with the flow of things. I handle the eggs in the last two days which is a big no no. Give a little, but little help if needed, and don't rush.
     
  5. CrazyBirdLady

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    I got my 26 Silkie eggs today. With the incubator off, the hygrometer sitting in there, the humidity is 65%. With the bator on set at 99.5 temp, the humidity is 35%. Is that about right? I don't have ANY water in it at all. Should I put some in the reserviors or should I wait until day 18? Last 2 times I had reserviours full from day 1, day 18 I added a sponge cut in half with hot water added to it, and 4 plastic cups cut down to about 1/2 inch in height with hot water. Is that too much water? I hope I didn't do something to kill those babies :confused: I plan on letting them rest until after dinner then put them in the bator. I'm so nervous....26 eggs are counting on me to hatch :eek: These eggs were packaged so securely, the PO called me at 7:30 this morning and I went right there and picked them up. Last batch they rode around in the mail truck all day until 6 pm!
     
  6. CrazyBirdLady

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    Ok, so with no water it's 20% humidity and with small amount of water the 2 reservoirs filled its over 50% humidity! Yikes! I don't want to drown my 26 Silkies!!! I haven't put them in the incubator yet, please someone tell me what to do....no water?
     
  7. teddy

    teddy Scrambled Eggs

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    The reason you want humidity is so the membranous wrap is easy to rip. So the chicks can get out. That does not happen until the last day. I do not put water in until the last couple of days and sometimes not even then. I can not tell you what to do. But don't get to excited. When they start braking out of the shell you can pull a little of the broken pieces back and see the membrane. Chances are they will brake out and it will happen before you even know it. Some hatches you get all eggs hatching and some you don't. If first you don't succeed try it again. Just keep the temp 99.5 F and sit back and wait.
     
  8. twentynine

    twentynine New Member

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    The only thing I would have done different ---- I would have had my incubator on, up to temperature, making sure all was ok. The day I ordered the eggs I would have started the incubator.

    I'm saving eggs right now, the day I started saving eggs, I gave my incubator a good scrubbing, turned it on. I plan on setting late in the day on the 7th or 8th.
     
  9. CrazyBirdLady

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    I turned my incubator on at 6 am, didn't put the eggs in until 8 pm. I had water in the reservoirs but it was very humid, 50's, so I removed the water this afternoon and let it set several hours. The temp is 99.5 - 99.7. Humidity is still high 30's low 40's with no water. Am I supposed to keep the 2 red plugs in? I have one open and the humidity stays down but when I plug it in it raises...I don't want my babies drowning in humidity. I've hatched 14 chicks so I don't know why I can't hatch a Silkie.
     
  10. twentynine

    twentynine New Member

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    Here in La. our normal humidity is anywhere from 50% - 90%, I never add water to my incubator until day 18. But once again our air is never dry here, even in an air conditioned building. On day 18, it is very easy for me to get to 75% humidity, enough so that when I crack the door to take a peak my glasses fog up.

    My point I was trying to make with my earlier post--- is: I do not believe 14 hours is enough lead time for your incubator to regulate the temperature properly. When I plan to hatch it is not unusual for me to have the incubator on 1 week before setting eggs. That a way if I find any problems with fans, thermostat, turners or anything, I have time to repair it and get it right. If something strikes me as just not quite right, I have the time to ponder on it. Once the eggs go in, it's to late to discover you have a problem.
     
  11. Sundancers

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    My hubby was the one that done the incubator here but we did keep water in the reservoirs from day one ... Different areas may be have to do it in a different way. (Not sure) ... But like 29, he did regulate the temperature early...

    I do hope you have a grand hatch.
     
  12. CrazyBirdLady

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    I understand that, I had a batch that was supposed to hatch on Sunday, they didn't. I kept them in there until Tuesday to be sure, then I cleaned the incubator Tuesday night, left the lid open to dry it and plugged it back in Wednesday early am. My incubator has been running for a month with Less than a 12 hr cleaning break. Right now the temp is 99.5 / humidity 30% with no water in it. I would never put my eggs in if I wasn't sure of the consistency of temp/humidity. I'm praying I get a hatch with some hens so the incubator will be a thing of the past. I have 2 Bantams I hatched Aug 27 and 28 and I'm sure Millie will be a great surrogate as she has taken my 12 orphaned Guinea Keets under her wing when she was 3 weeks old. I appreciate the advice :)
     
  13. CrazyBirdLady

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    Hmmm I responded to this earlier but I don't see it now....I had the incubator running for about a month. My Silkies were supposed to hatch on Sunday but didn't, I gave them until Tuesday then unplugged it, cleaned it and left it off overnight to air it out. I then plugged it back in Wednesday morning 6 am and didn't put my eggs in until 8 pm. I made sure the temp/humidity was controlled. I have hatched 14 eggs in this incubator but never had a hygrometer before and now the humidy thing has me stressed! I'm thinking that's why my silkies didn't hatch cuz I opened it to add water....I now have 26 eggs, so wish me luck. I read everything available but everyone has a different opinion ...
     
  14. teddy

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    I do not let the incubator regulate at all. Eggs go in and turn it on. No water till day 19 if then. Turn every 45 minutes. Usually 100% hatch. Not trying to disagree with you but as soon as you open the lid temp goes down. So lid back on propagate temp again. Why not regulate with eggs in? Then I do not mess with it till the first crack. Then I can't stand it, I have to tap every egg and listen for a peep. That's when I look for condensation. If dry add water. Keep crack up. Pull a little shell off of the crack and see how thick the membrane is. I do not help until 24 to 36 hours after first crack per egg. Ozarks hot and humid.

    Did you crack any eggs open to see if there mite be a chick developing? No Developing eggs may not have been fertile.
     
  15. twentynine

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    Teddy
    All I can say is wow! You turn eggs every 45 minutes, for 19 days.

    I am a big believer in being prepared. And I have never plugged in a cold incubator when their was some tiny thing to correct. What do you do if your incubator regulates to 102 or above? And I really have to question your claim of 100% hatch rate consistently. In all my attempts I have never had 1 hatch that was 100%. Always had a few infertile, a quitter or two or one that pipped and didn't make it.

    Crazybirdlady: I understand better now. Incubator should have been good. I do know some people allow purchased eggs to settle for a day before setting.
     
  16. teddy

    teddy Scrambled Eggs

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    Well it's my incubator. 7 eggs in and 7 chicks and one dog out. I can even stagger the eggs in. 4 eggs in and five days later 3 more go in. Its digital. You set it for 99.5. and 99.5 it is.

    Yes styrofoam incubators are fluctuating. But you can have that if you regulate. Plus once you open it to put the eggs in temp drops and it has to heat the egg also. Mite as well put the eggs in and slowly increase the temp to 99. Then you don't have to worry about bumping that thermostat when your putting eggs in. But that's me. And with styrofoam I did not get 100% hatches.

    But 7 eggs in and 7 chicks and one dog out.
     

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  17. twentynine

    twentynine New Member

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    Ahhh!
    Now I see. Okay.
    7 eggs in and 7 eggs out is an entirely different equation, than 80-100 eggs in and 60-80 chicks out! If I set only 7 eggs out of the 80 or so I usually collect, I have just as much chance of scoring 100%. That's figuring that roughly 80-90% of my eggs will hatch. Figure, looking at 80 eggs spread out on a table, 80% of which will hatch, kind of like playing Price is Right with huge odds in your favor.
    And a small incubator that has a total interior area of less than 1 sq. ft. compared to one that has an interior area of 7-8 sq. ft. The interior dimension of the water bottles I use as a heat sink are larger than your entire incubator. Shucks I'd be willing to state that the gross mass of the mechanics inside my incubator equal or exceeds the measurement of the interior dimension of your incubator.

    CrazyBirdLady
    After fully understanding your incubator set up. I think most of the problem lies with the eggs being shipped. Lord only knows what type of handling they have recieved at the hands of the USPS. Temperature and pressure swings while enroute to you. My advice is to keep doing what you are doing. If you think about it, in nature, a broody hen manages to hatch eggs, rain or shine.
     
  18. cogburn

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    Is that a Brinsea Eco mini ?
     
  19. teddy

    teddy Scrambled Eggs

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    Well it is Brinsea Mini advanced. I wish I got the bigger one. But this thing is so cool.
     
  20. teddy

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    If you got ten of these mini's you could get 70 eggs in and out. I only have 7 hen's and one rooster. Pretty sure they are all fertile. Soon I will have more hens.

    80 to 100 eggs? You are really putting them out. I keep thinking about going larger but don't know where to sell them.